Triangle Type
The Newsletter of the RTP Chapter of the Association for Psychological Type / Research Triangle Park, North Carolina
Winter, 2006

Edited By Walter Smith and Carol Shumate

Elizabeth Wolgin assumes office as President of RTP/APT [story here]

In This Issue


FIRO Element B Certification - Dick Thompson

What Has APT Done For You? – Board Members Tell All
President’s Corner—The Year in Review
Thanks to Past President and Introduction of New President
The Communication Wheel—A Review
Type Events Calendar
FIRO Element Certification – Dick Thompson
Interaction Styles – Linda Berens
16 Exchange
Jung Society Events
Dear Typie:  “Women’s Intuition vs MBTI® Intuition”
Wanted—Photographer and Reporter
RTP / APT Now Accepts Credit Cards
APT International News
       APT Moves to Washington, DC
       2007 APT International Conference in Washington, DC
Membership News & Information
Perks of Volunteering for APT
Open Board Positions
Board Members
Become a Member/Renewing your Membership
Perks of Membership
How to Get Published in Triangle Type
FIRO Element B Certification
As It Relates to MBTI Step II

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Would you like to be able to predict how people will work together on a team?

Would you like specific ways to alleviate conflict situations?

Would you like to help team members understand and respond to each others needs in a non-threatening way?

Then FIRO Element B™ Certification is for you!

Many Type practitioners in the United States use FIRO™ theory as a complement to the MBTI® for coaching, leadership development and OD work. This workshop qualifies you to use the most current version of the instrument AT AN UNBEATABLE PRICE and presents the latest research on its linkage to the MBTI and Step II.

Improve Individual and Team Performance
In the work environment, every person has Inclusion, Control, and Openness needs. Knowing those needs and devising ways to meet them allows us to be more effective in our work by creating a collegial atmosphere especially in groups and teams. The Element B is the latest generation of assessment tools developed by Dr. Will Schutz that will allow us to measure our needs and create a productive environment.

Use the Element B to work with others in redirecting their energy to alleviate interpersonal struggles and create a more productive and fulfilling work environment.

Element B is used in 15 countries and has been translated into eight languages. NASA, Boeing, Coca-Cola, Xerox, Hewlett Packard, Western Management Development Center, National Training Laboratories and the American Management Association, to name a few, use Element B as an integral part of their team and leadership development programs. 


  • New generation of FIRO theory

  • All FIRO-B™ scales PLUS 12 additional scales

  • Dissatisfaction scales

  • Dr. Schutz’ latest thoughts on FIRO assessments

  • Linkage to other instruments

  • Easy to interpret

  • Software scorable

  • Interpretive reports

  • Team Compatibility Reports

  • Team Compatibility Index™

  • FIRO Conflict Resolution Model

  • 360° FIRO Assessment™

Henry L. (Dick) Thompson, Ph.D., is the author of The CommunicationWheel®: A Resource Book, Introduction to The CommunicationWheel®, Jung’s Function-Attitudes Explained and Introduction to FIRO Element B in Organizations. Dr. Thompson studied under Will Schutz, Ph.D., developer of FIRO-B™, and has been using the Element B since 1984. Dr. Thompson worked closely with Dr. Schutz to develop additional supporting materials and software.

Dates, Location
March 1-2 (Wednesday-Thursday) 8:30 am to 5:00 pm
Cafeteria at SAS; SAS Institute Inc. 100 SAS Campus Drive, Cary, NC 27513-2414


  • $449.00 for APT/RTP members—Early Bird by Jan  31

  • $484.00 (includes membership in APT/RTP)—Early Bird by Jan 31

  • $484.00 non-member—Early Bird by Jan 31

  • $484.00 for APT/RTP members after Jan 31

  • $514.00 (includes membership in APT/RTP) after Jan 31

Meals will be on your own at the SAS cafeteria.

To register go to Click on Programs.

VISA, MasterCard and American Express accepted.

What Has APT Done For You?

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Reflections by Board Members

Krista Babbitt
APT pulls together people who have something in common, personality type, which crosses companies and careers.  I have a chance to get outside of my own experience which helps me return to it refreshed.  I mingle with students brought to an event by career counselors and educators and am reminded of the value of sponsoring a student intern in a corporation to give them experience (and to help ensure I have a skilled workforce available in the future).  I meet a fellow member for lunch who coaches private clients and I get a new idea for how to handle those coaching moments which come my way.  Associating with people who do a wide variety of work is more energizing and challenging for me because we start with our common love of type and build from there.

Tony Ingle
APT has allowed me the chance to meet and interact with a group of dedicated MBTI professionals who are perhaps one of the most well-connected groups of people in the country if not the world.  If I have a question regarding any nuance of MBTI theory or practice, I have two or three people I could contact immediately.  I truly consider this group to be a resource to the world in that regard.

Laura Sarisky
APT has allowed me to network with other type practitioners in the community whose knowledge I can tap into when working with clients.  Volunteering as the Treasurer with the board of the RTP chapter this year revealed to me the hard work, dedication and energy that others in the community bring to the planning of type related events, which has motivated me to learn even more about type and it's application to my work.

Carol Shumate
As a solo type practitioner, I have gained a huge network of colleagues, collaborators, and clients through serving on our chapter's board.   That led to my current position as Marketing Director with APT International, which has further expanded my practice. I no longer consider my work a "solo" act.

Elizabeth Wolgin
Service in APT has helped me identify some of my deepest desires and refine my career path to reflect these.
 This happened through relationships with fellow MBTI practitioners/colleagues and close involvement with the chapter's programs, all of which generated new possibilities and learnings for me personally and professionally.

President's Corner

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Reflecting on 2005

By Krista Babbitt

It has been my privilege to serve as the board  president with a wonderful cohort of volunteers  during 2005.  

Here are just a few of the things I am proud to  recap about this past year, which should make  next year even better!

Krista Babbitt

One of our members pointed out something about the Association of Psychological Type that gave me an increased sense of appreciation for our membership. In this age of competition for mind-share and market space, one quality stands out about our members:  enthusiasm.  Most of us have a career or focus other than Type. We’ve joined the APT-RTP chapter, attended programs, and written newsletter articles because of our love for and commitment to the enrichment brought by Type to a variety of professions and life applications that are really limitless. There is no pressure on us to belong to APT-RTP because it is a business requirement or professional must.  Instead, we join so we can hone our skills and help ensure the availability of affordable education for anyone who is interested in learning more about personality type in our area.

Thanks for being a part of APT-RTP this year. Join me going forward in extending a warm welcome to our new president, Elizabeth Wolgin who brings great interpersonal and organizational skills to the chapter board.

Krista Babbitt, President

Thanks to Past President and Introduction of New President

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Thanks Krista, you did a great job as President and we are glad you are part of us.

~ The RTP/APT Board

Welcome to Elizabeth Wolgin, INFP, our new President

Elizabeth is a Human Resources Manager at Cisco Systems in Research Triangle Park where she is responsible for providing Executive Coaching, Leadership Development and Organizational Design & Development consulting to the Sales organization. Before coming to Cisco, she worked in Human Resources at Nortel Networks supporting several areas of the business including Engineering, Marketing and Sales.   Elizabeth collaborates with her clients to apply organizational development theories to their business issues. She enjoys working with clients on change initiatives, organizational diagnosis and training and development. She is MBTI qualified and enjoys delivering MBTI workshops to intact work teams as well as to individuals in one-on-one career coaching sessions. Elizabeth lives in Durham with her husband Neal and their children Hannah and David. Welcome Madam President. We look forward to working with you this year.

Fall Program Review

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The Communication Wheel™
Mary Charles Blakebrough and Jan Burke; Reviewers

Krista Babbitt welcomes participants to the Communication Wheel Workshop

Walter Smith explains how the Communication Wheel works

A light moment during the workshop

Walter Smith answering questions of participants

"The Communication Wheel™: A Workshop in Understanding the Ways we Communicate" was led by Walter R. Smith, INFJ at SAS Institute in Cary on Friday, October 14.

The focus of the morning workshop was on "What language do you speak?" - determining if you primarily use the Sensing, Intuiting, Feeling, or Thinking language or a combination thereof. The basic Type languages are the function attitudes (NF, SF, NT, ST) and eight dialects. It opened with cartoons and other humor on the differences in how people speak and interpret what they hear, as well as possible blindspots.

A fascinating exercise had people define what percentage was meant by the words "sometimes, often, frequently". What a variety: from 12%-96%. An example Walter shared was about the manager who told an employee in his performance evaluation that he "frequently" met the manager's expectations. Imagine the employee's shock when he was let go - for the employee "frequently" was 90%, for the manager, 40%. This was a huge ah-ha to one of the attendees who is an accountant expecting communication to be accurate and measurable - she now adds into the "context" the "points of reference" of others.

There were videos of different Types, which along with Walter's explanations, helped us understand the key factors in communication. Case studies allowed participants to explore possible ways of using dialects:  'Jan and George were doing a project for their team - George kept putting off his part of the project which is now due in two days. How would Jan (NJ) approach him (SP) most effectively?'

A self-scoring questionnaire was taken which allowed us to quickly discover our primary language. There were library/reference materials available during the breaks and Walter mailed us additional information on the questionnaire results, using the Communication Wheel™ software.

The workshop closed with a wonderful exercise where we experienced a human communication wheel by going to different parts of the room depending on which language we were using at the time. It was fascinating to see the ebb and flow of the group and it helped those speaking 'minority' languages to feel valued. It became easy to see why if you speak thinking to feelers, you will probably insult them, and if you speak intuiting to sensors, they won’t understand a word you say.

One vivid takeaway was an example of how differently compliments are perceived. A couple (she an F, he a T) was working in their garden. She was so excited about his working with her that at end of day, she hugs/kisses him and says "Wasn't it wonderful how we worked together in the garden today?" He says, "HUH?" After learning about Type compliments, she said, "John, you worked very efficiently today. We got done two hours sooner than I thought and you laid out the garden in perfect rows and placed the railroad ties in a really straight line." This time he kissed her.

The Communication Wheel™ is an MBTI-based program designed by trainer Dick Thompson of High Performing Systems in Atlanta.  This event marks the first time the Communication Wheel was presented to Research Triangle audiences. Thompson himself will come to the Triangle next year to lead a workshop on FIRO-B for RTP/APT (details forthcoming).

Walter R. Smith, D.Min., is a Certified Practitioner of MBTI®.  He is also certified in the Communication Wheel™, FIRO-B, and FIRO Element B™.  He has conducted workshops in the Communication Wheel at the SE APT Conference, with church groups, and with the former Richmond Chapter of APT. As an Associate Pastor of First Presbyterian Church of Lynchburg, Virginia, he used Type in counseling, committee work, and sermon preparation. He is also co-editor of “Triangle Type,” the newsletter of the Research Triangle Park (RTP) Chapter of the Association of Psychological Type (APT).
Calendar of Type Events

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Calendar of Type Events


Title & Presenter

Registration & Cost


MARCH 2006

March 1-2, Wed-Thur

8:30 am-5:00pm

FIRO-Element B Certification

Henry L. “Dick” Thompson, Ph.D. 

See article in this newsletter

Also check your email



March 1

6:00- 9:00 pm


An Evening with Dick Thompson

Open to all chapter members and guests

“The Eight Jungian Functions.”


Check email for more information



APRIL 2006

April 28, Friday

1:00-4:00 pm

“Exploring the Crucial Role of the Tertiary Function”

Spring Piedmont APT Chapter Meeting, Winston-Salem , NC

$30.00 includes materials and breaks—eat before you come. Register with 250 Executive Park Blvd , Winston-Salem , NC 27103

MAY 2006

May 18-19



“Interaction Styles” with Linda Berens

Check email for more information



May 20


Type Exchange from

Tentative speakers: Linda Berens, Mark Majors, Leona Haas

Check email for more information


C.G. Jung Society of the Triangle
2005-2006 Programs

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JANUARY 27-28        WYNETTE BARTON, Jungian Analyst     Austin, TX
*Friday Lecture 7:30PM : THE GOSPEL OF THOMAS:
Depth Psychology Two Thousand Years Ago
**Saturday Workshop 10AM - 4PM: THE GOSPEL OF THOMAS;
Depth Psychology Two Thousand Years Ago
Binkley Baptist Church , Chapel Hill at the corner of 15/501 and Willow Dr .


FEBRUARY 26                     KIM CARRUTH                     Sunday Salon
OVER THE RAINBOW: Dorothy, The Wizard and Toto Too,
Archetypes, Big Dreams, Me and You

Charter member, Past-President and local Jungian monk 
will explore the wisdom and wonder of Dorothy’s adventure as 
well as its enchantment of the American public.
4:00-6;00PM, Chapel Hill Public Library, 100 Library Dr.  in Chapel Hill
SALON FREE and open to the public


MARCH 24-25          JENNY YATES, Jungian Analyst        Wilmington, NC
*Friday 7:30PM : THE WISDOM OF THE DREAM, Part I, Film and Discussion
*Saturday Workshop 10AM - 4PM: 
THE WISDOM OF THE DREAM Part II and III, Film and Discussion
Binkley Baptist Church , Chapel Hill at the corner of 15/501 and Willow Dr .


APRIL 28-29      BATTLE BELL III, Jungian Analyst      New Orleans, LA *Friday 7:30 PM : DANTE HAD A DREAM
*Saturday 10AM - 4 PM : SPIRIT OF THE MASCULINE IN DANTE’S EXILE  Binkley Baptist Church , Chapel Hill at the corner of 15/501 and Willow Dr.

*Lectures $10 non-member/$8 member /55 student with ID

**Workshops $40 non-member/$25 member

***Salons are FREE


For information call: 919.493.9722 or 919.968.1661

Dear Typie

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Women’s Intuition vs MBTI® Intuition

Dear Typie ,  

What is the difference, if any, between women’s intuition and intuition on the MBTI®?

~ An Inquiring Mind

Dear Inquiring Mind,

That is a good question. Let me give first give you a sample of the reactions I received to your question.

  "I'm thinking that "women's intuition" refers more to "F" than it does to "N". It's about being willing to trust the "soft data" and not require "hard data" in order to act on something or sense that something is needed.”

  I imagine that both "SF" and "NF" women exhibit what our culture calls "women's intuition".”

  "’iNutution’ from a Myers-Briggs and, I imagine, Jungian perspective is not necessarily about people at all. It's about looking for patterns and underlying meeting and using language that is more figurative and conceptual than concrete.”

  “Are we talking about NT or NF....or would SF also be perceived as intuition when it may come from the F stuff rather than the N stuff.  I think a lot of women's "intuition" may relate more to Feeling than Intuition.  I guess what I mean is that if women's "intuition" is about an event or just knowing how much money to spend for a piece of furniture that's N...If it's about knowing who to sit next to whom at dinner to avoid a fight...that's F.  I intuit that my answer may be confusing you...that's my N.  I also don't want to confuse're a nice guy...that's my F.  Isn't this Fun!”  

  “The intuition on the MBTI has one clear definition, the other does not!  The Intuition on the MBTI has two distinct forms, Ni and Ne.  Both describe a specific way of perceiving information, are a mental process, and are not gender specific.”

  “I have no idea what the "official" definition of "women's intuition" is, if I had to guess it would be some sort of collective wisdom that all women are able to tap into?  More of a feeling than a mental process?  A feeling that warns us, that tells us what to pay attention to that tells us what to trust, etc?  I think another difference is that women's intuition is probably more experience based (own or collective) whereas MBTI intuition is something you DO.  Even little kids display it, as opposed to the other kind. 

Intuition, according to the Shorter Oxford English Dictionary, Fifth Edition, is the immediate apprehension of the mind without the intervention of reasoning. This is quite similar to Jungian intuition and intuition found on the Myers-Briggs. It has long been assumed that women come to their decisions without using reasoning and men make decisions based on reasoning. In other words, women use intuition more and men use thinking more.  Our American culture tends to identify women’s intuition more with feeling (F) than with intuition (N) on the MBTI® which is what some of our respondents have pointed out.  There is also the misconception in our society that men “think” and women “feel.” It is interesting to note that the latest statistics on the MBTI® show that there is almost an even split between men and women when it comes to thinking and feeling. About 51% of men are thinkers and 49% are feelers. Likewise, 51% of women are feelers and 49% are thinkers. These are much closer splits than previously thought. A thinking woman may have a difficult time in our culture because she does not exhibit the nurturing role as does a feeling man who exhibits a more feminine than a macho role.

Women’s intuition may be a construct of our society. Carl Jung expressed concern that Western culture places such a high premium on the thinking function and totally devalues the feeling function. Therefore, men are important because they think and women are not. The truth is that intuition whether it is a feeling function or an intuitive function can be accessed by both sexes and all types. Obviously, some types will have an easier time accessing these functions than other types, but all of the functions are available to all of us.

Help Wanted

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Photographer and Reporter


Our chapter is looking for people who are willing to take pictures at our chapter events (digital required) and to report on the event for the newsletter.  The photographer and reporter do not need to be the same person and you do not have to do it for each event.  If you are willing to serve in this capacity you will receive 10% off the cost of the event. Please contact Walter Smith at  if you are interested.

RTP/APT Now Accepts 
Credit Cards

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The NC Research Triangle Park Chapter (RTP) of the Association for Psychological Type (APT) is proud to announce the launch of a new and exciting program:  Credit Card acceptance and eCommerce services for your business through Practice Pay Solutions.  

Since 1997, Practice Pay Solutions (PPS) has worked with thousands of home based therapist, coaches, and speakers.  From the comfort of your home or business, PPS allows you to easily accept credit card payments and do eCommerce business through your website 24/7/365!

APT International News

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APT International Moves to Washington, DC

This fall, APT International moved a lot closer to RTP, to Washington , DC .  The move of APT’s home office from Chicago coincided with a general reorganization that included changing the management as well as making major procedural changes.  The new executive director, Stuart Attewell, has a dynamic new plan for revitalizing APT and better serving members.

This bodes very well for the RTP chapter as it will enable us to attract trainers more easily and enjoy some financial savings as well. 

APT International Conference of 2007 in Washington, DC

The location of the next conference on the east coast should make it far easier for RTP members to attend — and to make presentations!  Start thinking now about what kind of session you’d like to present there.  It will build your career and your reputation immensely. For more information, contact Carol Shumate .

Membership News and Information

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Perks of Volunteering

  • Dinner with the Best MBTI Trainers when they come to present to our chapter

  • Potential to be recognized for a Leadership Award from APT International

  • Six Board meetings per year with encouraging and stimulating conversation

  • Chance to select future program events and to set a focus for advancing local type development

  • Opportunity to use & develop skills you do not always get to apply in other settings

Positions Open on the Board of APT/RTP for 2006
  • Vice President 

  • Treasurer 

  • Program Chair

Suggestions or Criticisms?

If you have suggestions, ideas, or constructive criticism of RTP/APT, please let us know. We want to serve you better.  Contact Carol Shumate.

Board Members

Elizabeth Wolgin, President,
Krista Babbitt , Past President,
Carol Linden , Co-VP of Programs (acting),
Ann Loomis, Program Chair,
Carol Shumate , Co-VP of Communications,
Walter R. Smith, Co-VP of Communications,
Mary Charles Blakebrough, Acting Treasurer,
Mary Charles Blakebrough , Ex-officio,

Membership News and Information

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Become A Member or Renew Your Membership


Join the Association of Psychological Type/Research Triangle Park Chapter

  • Network with an exciting and fun group of type enthusiasts and professionals.

  • Learn from national presenters and major thinkers in the field of psychological type at scheduled programs and events. 

  • Benefit as a member with reduced rates for programs and events.

  • Have access to a comprehensive library with numerous psychological type resources – books, training program notebooks with reproducible masters, and conference tapes. 

  • Keep up with all the APT/RTP news and happenings with Triangle Type – the association newsletter. 

Click here for our 2005 membership application.

Membership News and Information

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Perks of Membership

  • Post your events on the Calendar of Type-Related & Member-Sponsored Events.
  • Get your books and/or articles mentioned in Triangle Type.
  • Network at our programs.
  • Get low prices on all chapter-sponsored programs.
How To Publish in Triangle Type

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If you write an article for the RTP/APT newsletter this is what you will get:
  • Publication in one of the best and most attractive online newsletters in the Type Community with a circulation of over 200 in North Carolina and throughout the country. The newsletter is sent to APT Central as well as to other chapters. And since it is on the internet it is accessible to others.
  • The services of two excellent editors who will help you write the best article possible. This is like getting a mini writing course for free.
  • Name recognition and the ability to contribute in a significant way to the understanding of Type.
Here are the areas of the newsletter we use each month:

The Light Side of Type—a story, can be humorous, of how different types relate to each other. Suggested length 500 words.

Book Reviews—the RTP chapter has the policy that if you want to review a book on Type the chapter will reimburse you the cost of the book (up to $25.00). Suggested length: 500-1000 words.

Reviews of Workshops sponsored by RTP. Suggested length: up to 2000 words.

Articles on different Type subjects—you get to choose the subject and tell us ways you use type in your work or write about a specific type program you have used. Suggested length: up to 2000 words.

The Newsletter is published four times a year in October, January, March, and May or thereabouts.

How it all works...  

1. Send an email to Walter R. Smith  and tell him what you want to write.

2. He will reply and tell you when we can use the article and when to submit it.

3. When your article is received it will be edited and sent back to you. If you agree with the edited copy, fine. If you don’t, tell us and we will work with you to make the article what you want it to be.

'Looking forward to hearing from you.

RTP/APT Newsletter produced by Tricia Weston