Triangle Type
The Newsletter of the RTP Chapter of the Association for Psychological Type / Research Triangle Park, North Carolina
Winter, 2005

Edited By Carol Shumate and Walter Smith

 In This Issue

Board Meetings, 2005

Calendar of RTP/APT Programs

January 12
March 9
May 11
June 29
August 18
October 12
December 7

Bring a snack
All members welcome

Location TBD
for directions

Calendar of Type-Related & Member Events
Specialize In Who You Are – Ken Boggs
Chart: The Eight Functions
Overcoming Physicians’ Resistance to the MBTI® (Report) – Walter Smith
16 Type Clock Cards: Basic Problem Solving (Review) – Mary Charles Blakebrough
Picture: An ENFP’s Clock
Light Side of Type: 
Fifteen Unsleeping Minutes in the Life of Cat: An SJ Cat Under Stress
Dear Typie: 
How Intuitives Can Coach Sensors
President’s Corner: Krista Babbitt
Board Profiles: 
      Laura Sarisky
      Krista Babbitt
Board Members
Become a member
Renew your membership
Perks of membership
How to Publish in Triangle Type
Calendar of RTP APT Chapter Programs

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Calendar of

RTP/APT Chapter Programs

Day/Date Title & Presenter Registration & Cost Location



March 30

6:00-9:00 pm

“Type and TLC: Training, Leading, Coaching”

Mary Charles Blakebrough

No charge but bring a dish to share in this Potluck Dinner

Call for directions: 919/ 493-1551


Woodcroft Community Assn. -

5501 Fortunes Ridge Drive




April 28

Time: TBA

“Tips and Tricks in Using MBTI”

Various leaders will share their experiences in presenting and using the MBTI




July 27-31

APT XVI International Conference Go to
Portland, OR
Calendar of Type-Related 
& Member Events

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Calendar of Type-Related

& Member-Sponsored Events



Title, Registration & Cost




6:00 - 9:30 pm

Reg deadline:  2/17


Belinda Dowdy

“Organize with Style”
919-968-4898 or

Unitarian Fellowship

10:00 – 12:00 am

Reg deadline:  2/17


Ann Loomis

Jung Society

“An Introduction to 
Psychological Type”

$15 materials fee (MBTI) 919/493-9722

Chapel Hill : Binkley Baptist Church


4:00 – 6:00 pm

Sunday Salon:

Sondra Van Sant
Jung Society

“Beyond Four Letters”


Chapel Hill :  Public Library


2/28 –

(approx. start date for multi-week event)


Ken Boggs

“Learning the Skills of High Performing Teams”

$20 or 932-7933

371 River Road






The MBTI Qualifying Program

$815 - To register, go here

Gainesville , Florida





“Planning an Introductory Workshop: MBTI 

$250 - To register, go here

Gainesville , Florida



Applications Workshop:


“Using Type in Career Counseling”

$425 - To register, go here

New York City



  7:30 pm


Michael Conforti

Jung Society

“Patterning in the Psyche and the Natural World”

$40/$15 students



Chapel Hill : Binkley Baptist Church


3/19  10:00 4:00


Michael Conforti

Jung Society

“Patterning . . .  an archetypal perspective”

$40/$15 students


Chapel Hill : Binkley Baptist Church

Send Us Your Events!
A perk of membership in the RTP/APT chapter is the free posting of member-sponsored events in the Calendar of Type-Related and Member-Sponsored Events.

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Specialize In Who You Are

By Ken Boggs

As we become somewhat secure in knowing our psychological type, it then becomes possible to specialize in it, i.e., to develop our psychological functions.  Here the emphasis is in developing depth and sophistication with, first, the Dominant and, then, the Auxiliary.

Of the eight possible functions involved, each of us needs to develop at least two. Hopefully, as we mature we will become proficient in all eight functions.

  • Se – Extraverted Sensing

  • Si  – Introverted Sensing

  • Ne – Extraverted Intuition

  • Ni  – Introverted Intuition

  • Te – Extraverted Thinking

  • Ti  – Introverted Thinking

  • Fe – Extraverted Feeling

  • Fi  – Introverted Feeling

Each of these functions operates differently so it takes a specialized approach to becoming sophisticated with each.  Some ideas for things to do in developing these functions are suggested next. This is not a comprehensive list, just a start for your own personalized plan.

Extraverted Sensing (Se)

Extraverted sensors need to be among people gathering publicly available data. The kinds of things they might do include:

  •   Create a newsletter

  • Maintain a web site's information

  • Take a job as a reporter

  • Interview people on a specific topic

Introverted Sensing (Si)

Introverted sensors need to be gathering publicly available data and keeping this information for private reflection. The kinds of things they might do include:

  • Keep a journal

  • Do quality control on a web site to ensure clarity and completeness of information

  • Take a job as a rewriter using the raw input of reporters

  • Take notes in lectures; reflect on the most important points; and reorganize the information.

Extraverted Intuition (Ne)

Extraverted intuitives need to be among people sharing hunches, possibilities, and future implications of current events. The kinds of things they might do include:

  • Participate in planning sessions

  • Volunteer for long-range business forecasting work. 

  • Contribute to brain storming sessions

  • Participate in political rallies and fund raisers

Introverted Intuition (Ni)

Introverted intuitives need to be gathering hunches, possibilities, and future implications for themselves. The kinds of things they might do include:

  • Keep a journal

  • Write essays elaborating all elements of a subject of interest

  • Seek out "futurist" books and speakers

  • Read science fiction

Extraverted Thinking (Te)

Extraverted thinkers need to be among people analyzing information and reaching objective conclusions. The kinds of things they might do include:

  • Work in a library

  • Take a job on a hotline or a help line

  • Partner with a sensor and do the analysis of the data

  • Work on a newspaper or at a TV station to analyze the news and organize the newscast

Introverted Thinking (Ti)

Introverted thinkers need to perform objective analysis by themselves. The kinds of things they might do include:

  • Write research reports

  • Write a book

  • Prepare a business presentation for an executive

  • Work on the staff of a government executive

Extraverted Feeling (Fe)

Extraverted feelers need to be among people caring for their needs.

The kinds of things they might do include:

  • Organize and run a wedding or other social occasion

  • Hold a birthday or retirement party

  • Host a business dinner

  • Organize and give a public presentation on psychological type

Introverted Feeling (Fi)

Introverted feelers need to care for people while remaining in the background. The kinds of things they might do include:

  • Work as a clinical psychologist

  • Participate in setting up a help line and ensure the staff has what they need

  • Create a web site dedicated to the improvement of mankind

  • Work in the service industry.


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The Eight Functions

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Overcoming Physicians' Resistance 
(to the MBTI®)
Presenter: Robert Doughty, MD, INTJ

A Report from the APT 2004 International Conference, Toronto
by Walter R. Smith, INFJ

This workshop was to help MBTI® practitioners to approach the medical community in a positive way so that medical doctors could see the benefits of the MBTI®. Robert Doughty presented the following ideas which are presented in outline form.

Why Physicians may resist MBTI®:

Takes too much time to use
Has minimal value
No practical application
Does not impact primary responsibility of care, service, and quality

Projection is a big issue

What we assume about MD’s is the problem. Most of us assume that medical doctors are not open to the MBTI®. However, if we assume they are open we will have a less difficulty in presenting the benefits of the MBTI®..

A Few Things to Remember About Doctors

All types are found in the profession.

Doctors have been rewarded for getting straight A’s and for getting it right since kindergarten, so they under pressure not to get anything wrong. Remember a mistake on their part could mean the death of their patient. So if they make a mistake in using the MBTI® they will be seen as less than competent.

There is a distrust of psychiatry and psychology among MD’s. For a doctor to have a psychological problem is a sign of weakness. Assure MD’s that the MBTI® reveals no deep, dark secrets or psychological problems.

Some Present Conditions in Medicine 

Doctors have a drive for autonomy and they want to be in charge, but now medicine is a team approach and doctors need to learn to work in teams. 

Heath care system is in chaos—morale at an all time low. There is an erosion of consumer confidence in doctors, the threat of malpractice suits, and high cost of malpractice insurance.

Irrational reimbursement system—insurance companies will pay for procedures but not for consultations. A doctor who spends an hour in a follow-up visit with a patient will only receive $35.00, but if that same doctor orders more procedures insurance will pay.

There is excessive government regulation.

How to Approach Physicians

Show them the exciting reality of the MBTI®.

Have a clear contract up front—we will spend 4 hours together—that is a long time but it is necessary for you to understand the MBTI® and not see it as a horoscope.

Validate scientific base of MBTI®--get out the statistics. 

Don’t oversimplify or over-interpret data—don’t get too complicated

Emphasize instrument is not related to intelligence or psychological problems.

Emphasize that MBTI® is like a constellation of stars but we also have the whole Milky Way and other galaxies—it is a part of our world, not the total world.

Learn more about the physician’s life.


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16 Type Clock Cards:
Basic Problem Solving

Robert W. McAlpine & Finger, 
Type-Resources (

, KY
, 2004   ($79)

Reviewed by Mary Charles Blakebrough

This exercise, 16 Type Clock Cards: Basic Problem Solving, gives facilitators a quick, easily-understood and effective application of the MBTI.  The presentation provides an explanation of problem-solving theory based on Gordon Lawrence’s work and one application exercise designed for participants to literally “walk through” the problem solving process. The facilitator’s notes should be read and understood before using this program.

Until now, these have only been available with the entire package, Introduction to Type and Temperament by Robert W McAlpine & Wendy Finger, for $199.  Now the Clock Cards are now being packaged separately and sold for $79. The set includes:

  • 16 Type Clock Cards – very colorful with characteristics of the functions on the back side of the cards (descriptors of Function-Attitudes taken from Personality Types by Darryl Sharp)

  • PowerPoint Slides (with leader’s script found in “Notes” view}

  • Leader’s Guide

  • Handouts in Word of the Sixteen Problem Solving Clocks (print double sided for best effect)

The exercise takes an hour.  It starts with the progressive processes used in problem solving, offers an example of a side-by-side comparison with two individuals with different type codes, moves the participants through the problem-solving activity with step-by-step directions, then moves them to closure, debriefs, and offers some “food for thought” and next steps.

NOTE: Those who review a book or other MBTI product for the APT newsletter will be reimbursed the cost up to $30. Please recommend buy/no buy for the APT/RTC library (see for current contents of library, available to chapter members).

The Light Side of Type

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Fifteen Unsleeping Minutes in the Life of a Cat: An SJ Under Stress

 By Walter R. Smith, INFJ

Darn, they're gone again, and I'm left all alone. It's not fair for a twenty-two year-old cat . . . I mean . . . I'm old . . . not as young as I used to be. The last time they left patches of my hair fell out. I feel it starting to fall out now in fact. Look, some of it is on my tongue. I just want a comfortable home where I'll have security. A place where I can get three-squares a day and have a soft bed for sleep. Isn't that what you call Social Security? But now, I am out in the grass with the gnats and fleas wanting to make their home in my soft, silky, black and white fur and have my blood for their dinner. They aren’t going to like it when I leave these fleas on their pillows. Ha!

They say they love me, but they're always leaving. If you love someone don't you want to be with them? They make a fuss over me when they come home, but I bet they're feeling guilty for being gone. Good. Do you know what it is like to be left alone, afraid that no one will feed you or give you water? I can't catch birds or mice anymore, they get away. I can see myself starving to death . . . in fact . . . I'm feeling a little weak . . . maybe my time's up . . . I'm twenty-two you know. I think I will lie on the front porch; it would serve them right if they tripped over my dead body.

Whose calling my name? "Buttons, Buttons." Where’s the voice coming from? I heard it before. "Buttons, Buttons, come on over." Oh, its those nice people up the street. They want me to come over and stay, but they don't care either. I mean . . . do you know how hard it is to walk up a hill for a cat in my condition? If they really loved me, they'd come over and carry me to their house. Oh, . . . I better go, but they'd be sorry if I dropped dead of a heart attack in the middle of the road.

"Oh, Buttons, it is good to see you. Here’s some dinner."

"You mean I risked a heart attack for dried cat food?”

“When you get through eating, hop up on one of the chairs and take a nap. I want you to stay out of the hot weather."

"Well, at least I’m inside and he does have a nice down-filled cushion chair. Boy, do I have this guy wrapped around my paw."

Dear Typie

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How Intuitives Can Coach Sensors

  By Walter R. Smith, INFJ

Send your type-related questions and problems to “Dear Typie” and see them answered by a certified type practitioner, in consultation with other experts, in the next newsletter. Be sure to indicate your type and the type of the person(s) involved (if known).
Dear Typie,

I have a definite "N" preference and yet I coach many clients with "S" preferences. For the most part it works fine, but at times I find myself on the receiving end of an avalanche of details. I end up wasting time listening to lots of details that I really don't need while frantically searching my mind for a pattern in the details. Then, I coach to the connection between what they want to accomplish, and how the pattern either contributes or detracts from what they want to accomplish.
How can I do a better job of not getting lost down a trail of details before I get to an appropriate "coaching place"?
Befuddled in Bethesda, 
                MBTI Coach (ENFP)

Dear MBTI Coach,

Actually, you are doing a good job. You are using your strength which is intuition to find the patterns in the details. You are then sharing those patterns with your clients. S people, like all people, appreciate others who listen to them. You affirm their dignity. By showing them the patterns in their details, which they cannot readily see themselves, you help them to see where they are going. Perhaps your need for a “new” tactic comes from the fact that you are not comfortable in the “detailed” world. It is difficult for you and it is only natural to want to find an easier way. I consulted experienced ENFP coaches and they had the following advice for you to help you become more comfortable coaching strong Sensing types:

“True, the coach does not usually need this level of detail in order to coach well.  However, sometimes the client needs to talk things through in order to get clarity for themselves.  It is useful to develop the skill of distinguishing between ’talking things through’ and ’giving me details because they think I need them‘.  I usually educate clients on the difference, and ask them to be clear for themselves which one they are doing.   I also explain that I do not NEED this level of detail; S-clients do not realize that our intuition can work without that.  Explaining that I do not need the detail to coach them well makes a big difference.  Especially SJ clients need to know "the rules." 

When I get a sense that the details are not serving a purpose, I do interrupt the client. In our first coaching session I tell them I will be doing that from time to time and why.  I'll ask their permission to interrupt them during their story, and will prepare them for the language I use.  I periodically check in with them to see how it feels for them to be interrupted, and generally they don't mind if they know it helps us get there faster.  I also educate them that if they do actually want to talk something through first, they need to tell me so.

For instance, one ISTJ client I worked with said, "It would help me if I could talk through this incident while you just listened".  I relax and listen to the client. I do not try to frantically listen for a pattern but let my intuition do the work.  When the client has talked through the incident, I will ask a goal-oriented question such as, "What would you like the outcome of that situation to be?", and we take it from there. 

Other times I will interrupt and say, "Let me interrupt you for a moment here, Mary.  What I'm wondering is...." and then ask an appropriate question, such as "What is really stopping you from talking to John?" or whatever.  Or I'll just interrupt and say, "So what's the bottom line here?" Again, it is crucial to educate the client, lest you appear rude.  I usually explain about MBTI, and in what way I am different from them.  Then we work out what works best for both of us.  By explaining it, I empower the client to work with me in the most effective way, rather than doing all the adapting work myself.  
President's Corner

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By Krista Babitt, ENTJ

I began my involvement with type through my advisor while I was in graduate school at UNC almost 15 years ago. I watched him use type to support the growth of a management team I was studying as a basis for my thesis. The experience was life-changing for me because everything I’ve done since has benefited from my new understanding of how people naturally differ.

I saw then, and I’ve seen many times since, that individuals will release frustration over co-workers’ responses upon realizing they were not purposely trying to be antagonistic. Other individuals have understood and accepted their unique contribution to a team that was very different from them, no longer feeling ostracized, just different. Many have moved forward, adapting and flexing so that the whole group could benefit from varying perspectives, instead of harboring hurt feelings. Some of the benefits have been an immediate ‘ah ha!’ for everyone in the room. Some benefits happened over the course of time which I got to watch as I spent several years working with that particular leadership team and many others since then. Through attending APT-RTP programs, I learned new principles and strategies to manage conflict and decision-making. 

And you can’t beat the price for the value! I joined as a graduate student when other professional organizations were just too expensive for my threadbare budget. I could always attend APT-RTP programs and learn from some of the most diligent minds in the type community sometimes without spending any money! I was even put in touch with a scholarship program offered by one of the major type organizations, which offered me the chance to get qualified to administer the MBTI by helping assist administratively at the week long qualifying workshop. There I got to know a few more members of this type community who I continue to learn from in a dialogue that has stretched across the years. 

Then a previous board member helped my husband (then my fiancé) and myself understand the functions in their attitudes, which opened up a lot of great discussions for us that continue to this day. We discovered the difference between an introverted and an extraverted feeling type preference and Michael saw clearly that he was an INFP, not an INFJ which is what he has scored on the indicator several times (See Henry Thompson’s book, Jung’s Function-Attitudes Explained and the wonderful color slides which said it all to Michael!)  . Seeing the difference between the introverted feeling and the extroverted thinking decision-making function was a significant step in our readiness to marry. Few things I have done have ever been so worthwhile and far reaching as joining the type world. 

One of my goals for this year is to continue the collaborative board work that has made it easier for others to find and make the fullest use of the richness APT-RTP brings to learning and living in the triangle. Plan to attend our upcoming “Type and TLC: Training, Leading, Coaching and get to know more people who share an interest in type. If you haven’t joined yet for 2005 {link}, please do.

Membership Notices

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Board Profiles

Krista Babbitt, INTJ; President
Krista works for SAS in Cary as a Business Analyst in the Operations department of the Corporate Services Division.  She is responsible for researching, creating processes and making recommendations in the strategic planning, performance evaluation, and communication areas of Performance Management.  

Krista enjoys that she must ‘wear many hats’ in order to further the goals outlined by the Division Balanced Scorecard. She serves on strategic initiative teams, facilitates meetings, coaches individuals, trains groups in the use of the Myers-Briggs, and writes scripts and articles. With 28 different groups to support under the Corporate Services Division umbrella, using the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator has been very useful in helping intra-departmental and inter-departmental communication succeed.

Before coming to SAS, Krista held positions as a newsletter writer, employee relations representative, management trainer, and HR strategist. Previous experience working in varied industries, such as pharmaceutical, retail, automotive manufacturing, healthcare and government, has helped prepare her for the diversity in her division. 

Krista completed her Masters in Communication Studies in August 2003 at UNC-CH and her undergraduate degree in Forestry at Clemson University in May 1983.  As an ENTJ who is exploring her tertiary sensing function, Krista has recently discovered gardening can be wonderfully therapeutic.  She tries to resist just read ideas about plant placement and instead has begun to actually move pots around to really ‘see’ how they fit together before planting them. She has planted over 120 perennials in the last 3 years but still has 30-40 in her nursery waiting to find the ‘right’ place.  Her husband Michael says, “Come visit and bring a shovel."

Laura Sarisky, ISFJ, Treasurer
Laura works for SAS in Cary as the Parent Resource Coordinator with the Work/Life Department.  In this role, Laura is responsible for helping employees find parenting resources, navigate the adoption process, and find resources for their children with Special Needs. In February 2004, Laura began using the Myers Briggs Indicator to help SAS parents understand themselves and their children and has been hooked ever since.

Before coming to SAS Laura worked with adults with autism for 1 1/2 years, as a case manager for a mentoring program, and as a program specialist at a psychiatric rehabilitation program for adults with mental illness. She completed her Masters in Social Work in May 2003 at UNC-CH in the area of practice with families and children and her undergraduate degree in psychology at UNC-CH in 1997. Laura is currently enjoying life as a newlywed and proud parent of Princess, a rambunctious Shetland Sheepdog.

Membership Notices

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Board Members

Krista Babbitt, President,

Elizabeth Wolgin, President Elect,

Carol Linden, Co-VP of Programs (acting) and Past President,

Tony Ingle, Co-VP of Programs,

Emily Page, VP of Membership,

Carol Shumate, Co-VP of Communications,

Walter R. Smith, Co-VP of Communications,

Laura Sarisky, Treasurer,

Mary Charles Blakebrough, Ex-officio,

Karen Ridout, Southeast Regional Representative,

Membership Notices

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Become A Member or Renew Your Membership

Send a check payable to APT/RTP to Emily Page  at:

APT/RTP Membership
Emily Page
7 Waconda Ct.
Durham, NC 27713

Regular - $30 _____ Student - $20 _____ (School: ________________________)
If you have questions concerning your APT/RTP membership,

Perks of Membership

  • Post your events on the Calendar of Type-Related & Member-Sponsored Events.
  • Get your books and/or articles mentioned in Triangle Type.
  • Network at our programs.
  • Get low prices on all chapter-sponsored programs.
How To Publish in Triangle Type

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If you write an article for the RTP/APT newsletter this is what you will get:
  • Publication in one of the best and most attractive online newsletters in the Type Community with a circulation of over 200 in North Carolina and throughout the country. The newsletter is sent to APT Central as well as to other chapters. And since it is on the internet it is accessible to others.
  • The services of two excellent editors who will help you write the best article possible. This is like getting a mini writing course for free.
  • Name recognition and the ability to contribute in a significant way to the understanding of Type.
Here are the areas of the newsletter we use each month:

The Light Side of Type—a story, can be humorous, of how different types relate to each other. Suggested length 500 words.

Book Reviews—the RTP chapter has the policy that if you want to review a book on Type the chapter will reimburse you the cost of the book (up to $25.00). Suggested length: 500-1000 words.

Reviews of Workshops sponsored by RTP. Suggested length: up to 2000 words.

Articles on different Type subjects—you get to choose the subject and tell us ways you use type in your work or write about a specific type program you have used. Suggested length: up to 2000 words.

The Newsletter is published four times a year in October, January, March, and May or thereabouts.

How it all works...  

1. Send an email to Walter R. Smith  and tell him what you want to write.

2. He will reply and tell you when we can use the article and when to submit it.

3. When your article is received it will be edited and sent back to you. If you agree with the edited copy, fine. If you don’t, tell us and we will work with you to make the article what you want it to be.

Looking forward to hearing from you.


RTP/APT Newsletter produced by Tricia Weston