Triangle Type
The Newsletter of the RTP Chapter of the Association for Psychological Type / Research Triangle Park, North Carolina
Fall, 2005

Edited By Walter Smith and Carol Shumate

Carol Linden, Past President of RTP/APT receives New Leader Award 
at the APT International Conference in Portland, Oregon
Three other RTP members received awards at the conference. 
See article below

In This Issue


8th Annual Post Conference Review
and Potluck

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Thursday, September 29th, 2005


6:30 - 9:00 PM (6:30 - 7:30 potluck, 7:30 - 9:00 program)


Woodcroft Community Association, 5501 Fortunes Ridge Drive, 
Durham, NC


No charge but bring a dish to share for this Potluck Dinner - Drinks will be provided


Reply to Mary Charles Blakebrough

Join us  for our 8th Annual POST CONFERENCE Review & Potluck in Durham to hear what those of us who attended the APT XVI International Conference in Portland found most exciting. We will have networking and food, and a FREE program on Conference highlights !!!

President's Corner

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Mentoring Others

By Krista Babbitt

Krista Babbitt

At the APT International Conference in Portland last month, I signed up for a conference “mentor” since it was the first international conference I had ever attended.   It’s a new idea for the conference and for me it was an unqualified success. Sharon Richmond, from Palo Alto , California , was my mentor. She is active in the Type community conducting research, chairing the region, participating in a chapter, and presenting at international conferences.
Sharon introduced me to people whose names I’ve only seen on book covers.   Sharon was usually in the midst of a discussion when I wandered through the exhibits, but she always opened the circle and drew me in. As an ENTJ, I wasn’t exactly worried about meeting new people, but I did want to make the most of my time in Portland with so many experts. Sharon saved me lots of “getting my feet wet” time. We talked about how to choose sessions from the extensive list available which seemed overwhelming. I found that she sometimes has a hard time making those choices, too, which somehow made it less intimidating. She took that extra bit of time to smooth the way for this newcomer, and changed me from outsider looking in, to someone whom the Type community took extra effort to encourage. My goals for learning would have been met with out a mentor, but I wouldn’t have felt as welcomed.

We can apply this to our chapter, too.  The next time you meet someone who is just starting out with Type or new to the chapter, take some extra time to get to know them and introduce them around. Send them the link to our website and tell them about the benefits you’ve gotten from joining if they do not know about APT - RTP .  Maybe you could invite them to some training you are conducting or attend theirs and share ideas. 

Our programs are about more than how to use type; they also give us opportunities to practice what we teach as we listen and learn from each other. So join us for our 8th Annual Post Conference Highlights and Potluck at the Woodcroft Community Center on September 29 from 6:30 to 9:30 pm where we will share insights gained from the conference and gained from experience. Then join us again on Friday, October 14 for the Communication Wheel Workshop at SAS (see article in this newsletter).  Then in March 2006 we have Dick Thompson coming to provide training on the use of the FIRO-Element B instrument developed by Will Schutz. Come and participate in an encouraging community of Type practitioners.

RTP/Board Members Receive Awards 
at APT International Conference

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At the APT International Conference in Portland , Oregon in July, present and past RTP Board members received recognition for their work on the chapter level from the Board of The Association of Psychological Type (APT). Those receiving awards were:

Carol Linden received the New Leader Award which recognizes an APT member who has made significant contributions at the chapter level. Carol is the Past-President of the RTP chapter and now co-Program Chair. She is a Performance Development Consultant at SAS where she helps improve performance by coaching managers and cross-functional teams.

Excellence in Chapter Leadership Awards are given to those individuals who have made consistent and dedicated contributions to APT at the chapter level and have displayed ongoing chapter leadership serving their chapters and APT. Three of our members received this award. They are:

Carol Shumate  is the co-editor of the RTP/APT newsletter, Triangle Type. She is the Interest Area Consultant for Education of APT and frequently writes for the Bulletin of Psychological Type. She also writes for technical, medical and educational publications. Carol has a B.A. in Journalism and a Ph.D. in comparative literature. She has taught at the University of Connecticut, Yale University and Duke University Continuing Studies Program.

Walter R. Smith is the co-editor of the RTP/APT newsletter, Triangle Type.  He is certified in the MBTI, Communication Wheel, FIRO-B, and FIRO Element B. Walter is one of the pastors at First Presbyterian Church in Lynchburg, Virginia where he uses Type in committee work, teaching, counseling (especially pre-marital counseling). He is a member of the American Association of Pastoral Counselors and holds a B.A. in Psychology, a Master of Divinity, and a Doctor of Ministry degree.

Tracey Daley is past co-chair of Programs for the RTP chapter. She is a business and organizational specialist and owner of Wellspring Consulting. For eighteen years she has been dedicated to the development of enhances communication skills, effective leadership, conflict resolution, customer service, and succession planning. She hold a M.A. in Organizational Communication and is MBTI certified. She has just published a book, Beyond the Bounds of Time…Lessons in Love.

Congratulations to our award recipients!

International Conference 
Highlights and Photos

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Downtown Portland

Tin Man: On the weekends in downtown Portland various people perform for the public playing music or singing. This young man paints himself in gray, stands motionless for several minutes giving the illusion that he is a statue which is only dispelled when he starts to juggle glass balls in his hands.

Otto Kroeger caught off guard by the camera of Walter Smith. The pleasantly smiling person behind Otto is Wanda Pease, a staff member of OKA Associates.

              Carol Shumate, Carol Linden, Walter Smith, and Krista Babbit 
              enjoy a light moment at the conference.

Fall Program

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The Communication Wheel™
A Workshop in Understanding the Ways We Communicate

Leader: Walter R. Smith, INFJ

What language do you speak?

English, you say?

I beg to differ. You really prefer to speak the Sensing, Intuiting, Feeling, or Thinking language or a combination, thereof.

Did you know that if you speak thinking to feelers you will probably insult them, and if you speak intuiting to sensors they won’t understand a word you say?

These languages are based on the functions of MBTI® and they all have their own special dialect. Unless you are tuned into the language someone is speaking, you might not understand what is being said even though you recognize every word.

The Communication Wheel™ 
can help you learn to recognize 
and speak other Type languages

Using a combination of videotapes of speakers of different types and live examples, this three-hour workshop will show you how to:

  • Identify your own communication preferences and how they help or hinder you.
  • Explain the key factors in communication.
  • Identify the basic Type languages.
  • Experience a human communication wheel.

You do NOT need know your MBTI® type or anything about Type to participate in this workshop. A self-scoring questionnaire will be given that will identify your communication style.

The Communication Wheel™ is an MBTI-based program designed by trainer Dick Thompson of High Performing Systems in Atlanta .  This event marks the first time for the Communication Wheel to be made available to Research Triangle audiences.  Thompson himself will come to the Triangle next year to lead a workshop on FIRO-B for RTP/APT (details forthcoming).

Walter R. Smith, D.Min., is a Certified Practitioner of MBTI®.  He is also certified in the Communication Wheel™, FIRO-B, and FIRO Element B™.  He has conducted workshops in the Communication Wheel at the SE APT Conference, with church groups, and with the former Richmond Chapter of APT. He is an Associate Pastor of First Presbyterian Church of Lynchburg, Virginia where he uses Type in counseling, committee work, and sermon preparation. He is also co-editor of “Triangle Type,” the newsletter of the Research Triangle Park (RTP) Chapter of the Association of Psychological Type (APT).  

What people have said about the Communication Wheel™:

"It transformed my spoken communications with my husband, friends, and colleagues, and my written communications to clients or prospective clients.  By understanding the preferred language of my prospective clientele, I can better persuade them to buy my services.  Quite simply, this workshop changed the way my brain works and uses language.”

“This workshop has helped me to understand my spouse better and how we can do a better job communicating with each other.”

“Now I understand what my boss is saying.”

“I never liked Tom because he always questioned my proposals. Now I know he was just trying to understand the logic behind them.”

“I never knew my words could hurt other people when all I wanted was to help make things better.”

Walter Smith demonstrates his ability to use the Communication Wheel even with horses at the APT Conference in Portland . The horse gently ate a carrot from Walter ’s hand.

The Communication Wheel™

A Workshop in Understanding the Ways we Communicate

Registration Form






Fee you are paying:

            ______$30.00 RTP/APT members and SAS employees

            ______$45.00 non-members

            ______$60.00 includes membership in RTP/APT to end of 2006

Make checks payable to RTP/APT

Credit Card Number (MC, VISA, AMEX-circle one)__________________

Expiration date__________________

Print out registration form and mail with check payable to RTP/APT or credit card information to:

Laura Sarisky,

 RTP/APT Treasurer, 204 Bell Tower Dr. , Morrisville , NC 27560

Calendar of Type Events

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Calendar of Type Events


Title & Presenter

Registration & Cost




October 14

8:30 am to noon

The Communication Wheel

Walter R. Smith, D.Min

See information above


MARCH 2006




FIRO-Element B Training

Henry L. “Dick” Thompson, Ph.D.

 See information below





Interaction Styles

Linda Berens

Information to follow




April 1

Type Exchange


Information to follow


FIRO Element B Training

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Dr. Henry L. “Dick” Thomspon, CEO of High Performing Systems will offer a two-day training in FIRO Element B developed by Will Schutz, 
Wednesday through Thursday, March 1- 2, 2006
In 1958 Schutz formally introduced a theory of interpersonal relations called FIRO (Fundamental Interpersonal Relations Orientation). The theory presented three dimensions of interpersonal relations posited to be necessary and sufficient to explain most human interaction. On the behavioral level, these dimensions were called Inclusion, Control and Affection. Schutz also created a measurement instrument, FIRO-B, consisting of scales that measure the behavioral aspects of these three dimensions. Over the past 45 years, Schutz has revised and expanded FIRO theory and developed additional instruments for measuring the new aspects of the theory, including Element B: Behavior (an improved version of FIRO-B); Element F: Feelings; Element S: Self; Element W: Work Relations; Element C: Close Relations; Element P: Parental Relationships; and Element O: Organizational Climate.

Watch for more information in special emails and the next issue of the newsletter.

Creativity and Type

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Two Hours With Marci Segal

by Walter Smith, INFJ

On June 25, 2005, offered a day-long Type Exchange Workshop in Winston-Salem. This article features one section of that workshop which was led by Marci Segal on Creativity and Type. Below are my notes from the workshop.

Type Exchange Workshops are innovative and fun and well worth the time and money (only $89.00) if you are an APT member. 

How do you get people to think creatively?

Give them permission

Give them a preposterous problem to solve in small groups of two or three people such as how do you fit dentures to a silk worm?

Creativity is encouraged by the ridiculous and allows us to access our other functions. For example, in explaining how to fit dentures to a silk worm I switched from my dominant introverted intuition (Ni) to my fifth function extraverted intuition (Ne).

What is Creativity?

CREATIVITY is personal expression resulting from a restlessness to improve or change the status quo.

Psychologist Carl Jung wrote that restlessness is an instinct just as hunger, fear, flight, and sex. We are all creative and express it uniquely. There is no such thing as one type being more creative than others. All types have their own way of being creative. (See chart below).

Creativity involves using knowledge, imagination, and evaluation to move forward in every sphere of human experience. A creative result is new, relevant, and surprising.

INNOVATION describes the success of a new idea, product, process, or procedure to meet the standards of others that "creates a new dimension of performance" (Drucker, Leading for Innovation).

Innovation connotes accessing creativity for new ideas, solutions, and decisions.

By using the eight function model, facilitators provide opportunities for each person to perform creatively by using creativity skills associated with his or her natural processes.

Creativity needs more that a great idea—it needs a fertile environment

Think of it as a couple wanting a child. During their lovemaking the husband inseminates his wife. However, for a conception to occur the wife’s egg must be in the right   position; the environment must be receptive to the donation of the sperm. So often in business or organizations we only think of the idea and never ask if the environment is fertile for this idea and if not how do we make it so.

One Last Thought

People often play the role of Devil’s Advocate—why not have a person play the role of Angel’s Advocate speaking about what is good about the project or proposed ideas.

A person breaks his or her leg—we often say, “how awful.” Why not ask, “What’s good can come out of this?

Seeing both sides of a situation can help balance our emotional energy.

Type and Creativity

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How Each Type Is Creative



Creativity Skill

Facilitation Applications


Willingness to experiment and take risks

Provide a safe environment


Readiness to make the familiar strange and the strange familiar

Juxtapose memories from one situation and apply to a different one


Pattern breaking skills


Encourage wild ideas and interpretations


Creative consciousness


Use creative visualization


Energetic persistence


Develop new metrics for success


Levels of curiosity


Challenge assumptions


Idea nurturing ability

Organize an ‘acceptance’ network using what is valuable to the receiver


Courage and resilient levels

Help people understand what really matters

Reproduced with permission from Marci Segal
CreativityLand, Inc.
2453 Younge Street, Suite 5
Toronto , Ontario
Canada M4P2E8

Dear Typie

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An INFJ Works with an ISTJ Boss


Dear Typie ,

I am an INFJ who works for an ISTJ boss. My boss doesn’t like to discuss matters that pertain to our business.  When I introduce a new idea or a suggestion of how to do things better, he usually says, “I don’t agree with that,” or “We’ll discuss it later.” Of course, we never do.  I get discouraged because he doesn’t want to engage in discussion and I’m afraid our business will suffer. Do you have any suggestions?

An INFJ Second in Command

Dear Second in Command:

For an ISTJ it is best not to start off with the new idea or suggestion, but to prime them with the business need and the facts first. Remember the ISTJ motto: If it ain’t broke don’t fix it!  If the proposed change is big, you may have to take it in stages. You will need to supply a lot of facts and concrete documentation to support your new idea, even those that seem obvious or boring to you! More is better, in this case. It will help if you can explain the practical application of your idea, what specifically it will accomplish, how specifically it will be implemented, and so on.

ISTJs trust their experience more than anything else. So supply relevant facts about where this has worked before and with what results. Then, give him plenty of time to think about it, and specify when you will get back to him and what type of response you will need at that time.

When talking to ISTJs, you have to "go back to the future." ISTJs tend to speak the TS dialect. The S is introverted and tied to the past. Start there, then logically proceed to the present, then ease into the future. But don't turn loose of the past.

Remember that the ISTJ dominant function is Si followed by Te, which are your 7th and 8th, respectively!  In other words, his strength is your trickster and demonic and vice versa. It may help if you can run your ideas past a trusted person who has Si and Te in their first four preferences; they will be able to help you “translate” from INFJ to ISTJ.  That means an INFP, ENFP, ESTJ could all help you with this.

When you boss says, "We'll discuss it later," you might want to say, “This obviously is not a good time for you but I would like to make an appointment to discuss something that is very important to me." Good luck J!

Help Wanted

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Photographer and Reporter


Our chapter is looking for people who are willing to take pictures at our chapter events (digital required) and to report on the event for the newsletter.  The photographer and reporter do not need to be the same person and you do not have to do it for each event.  If you are willing to serve in this capacity you will receive 10% off the cost of the event. Please contact Walter Smith at if you are interested.

RTP/APT Now Accepts Credit Cards

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The NC Research Triangle Park Chapter (RTP) of the Association for Psychological Type (APT) is proud to announce the launch of a new and exciting program: Credit card acceptance and eCommerce services for your business through Practice Pay Solutions.

Since 1997, Practice Pay Solutions (PPS) has worked with thousands of home based therapist, coaches, and speakers.  From the comfort of your home or business, PPS allows you to easily accept credit card payments and do eCommerce business through your website 24/7/365!

There are a number of compelling reasons for therapists to accept credit cards, debit cards, electronic checks, and connect your website to PPS’s secure shopping cart.

Your Benefits:

1)      Attraction
It makes it easy for your prospective clients to hire you.

2)      Focus is on your clients!
For those with on-going clients, having the "money conversation" only once allows for greater focus on the working relationship. Clients like the ease of an up-front, in-place, clearly understood payment plan.

3)      Improved Cash Flow
Funds from credit card transactions payments are available within two business days of processing. No more waiting for checks to arrive and
PO ’s to be posted.

4)      Reduce Or Eliminate Receivables

·        Clients will make payment arrangements with their credit card company instead of you. Stop being a banker to save time and energy.

·        Many corporations and government agencies now prefer paying by credit card. Paper check payments take up to 60 days or longer to process. Why wait?

5)      Efficiency

·        Eliminate trips to the bank. Funds are directly deposited into your account.

·        End repetitious data entry. Automatic recurring billing is available for on-going clients.

·        Reduce clutter. You’ll have paperless processing and a monthly, consolidated statement.

6)      Legitimacy
When potential clients see that you accept major credit cards, it greatly enhances the credibility of your business. They know that you are a serious professional.

7)      E-Commerce –
With an e-commerce solution, you can break the "billable hours ceiling" by selling products and packaged services on your web site 24/7/365, and it's all completely automated. You can sell products, e-books, booklets, teleclasses, CDs, cassettes, workshops, newsletters and more.

8)      A Trusted Partner
With the Association for Psychological Type’s endorsement you can be assured of a trusted partner from the time of application through to the delivery of our payment and eCommerce services.  Over the years, we have worked with many professional associations and their members so we know the value of delivering personalized service at an affordable price.

Client Benefits:

1)      Convenience
Clients appreciate the added convenience and flexibility of having many payment options to best meet their individual financial and personal needs. These options include debit cards (with VISA or MasterCard logos), credit cards, and electronic check payments.

2)      Incentives
Clients enjoy using their credit cards to accumulate frequent flyer miles or other marketing bonuses.

3)      Discretionary Credit
On any given day, your clients have more discretionary credit than disposable cash for professional services.

For more information along with rates and fees: 


·        Visit


·        For a personal consultation, call Marty Foeppel – National Relationship Manager at 1-800-326-9897 10-5 EST


·        Email

Membership News and Information

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New Book from RTP Member
RTP Member J. Kenneth Boggs has just published a new book entitled, “Partnering with Other Types.” He will be teaching a class on the book beginning September 11, 2005. If you would like more information on the class please contact him at 919-932-7933 or

President-elect, Elizabeth Wolgin enjoys networking at a  recent conference at Cisco Systems.

Membership News and Information

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Board Members

Krista Babbitt, President,
Elizabeth Wolgin, President Elect,
Carol Linden, Co-VP of Programs (acting) & Past President,
Tony Ingle, Co-VP of Programs,
Emily Page, VP of Membership,
Carol Shumate, Co-VP of Communications,
Walter R. Smith, Co-VP of Communications,
Laura Sarisky, Treasurer,
Jennifer Abbott, Secretary,

Mary Charles Blakebrough, Ex-officio,
Karen Ridout, Southeast Regional Representative,

Membership News and Information

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Become A Member or Renew Your Membership


Join the Association of Psychological Type/Research Triangle Park Chapter

  • Network with an exciting and fun group of type enthusiasts and professionals.

  • Learn from national presenters and major thinkers in the field of psychological type at scheduled programs and events. 

  • Benefit as a member with reduced rates for programs and events.

  • Have access to a comprehensive library with numerous psychological type resources – books, training program notebooks with reproducible masters, and conference tapes. 

  • Keep up with all the APT/RTP news and happenings with Triangle Type – the association newsletter. 

Click here for our 2005 membership application.

Membership News and Information

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Perks of Membership

  • Post your events on the Calendar of Type-Related & Member-Sponsored Events.
  • Get your books and/or articles mentioned in Triangle Type.
  • Network at our programs.
  • Get low prices on all chapter-sponsored programs.
How To Publish in Triangle Type

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If you write an article for the RTP/APT newsletter this is what you will get:
  • Publication in one of the best and most attractive online newsletters in the Type Community with a circulation of over 200 in North Carolina and throughout the country. The newsletter is sent to APT Central as well as to other chapters. And since it is on the internet it is accessible to others.
  • The services of two excellent editors who will help you write the best article possible. This is like getting a mini writing course for free.
  • Name recognition and the ability to contribute in a significant way to the understanding of Type.
Here are the areas of the newsletter we use each month:

The Light Side of Type—a story, can be humorous, of how different types relate to each other. Suggested length 500 words.

Book Reviews—the RTP chapter has the policy that if you want to review a book on Type the chapter will reimburse you the cost of the book (up to $25.00). Suggested length: 500-1000 words.

Reviews of Workshops sponsored by RTP. Suggested length: up to 2000 words.

Articles on different Type subjects—you get to choose the subject and tell us ways you use type in your work or write about a specific type program you have used. Suggested length: up to 2000 words.

The Newsletter is published four times a year in October, January, March, and May or thereabouts.

How it all works...  

1. Send an email to Walter R. Smith  and tell him what you want to write.

2. He will reply and tell you when we can use the article and when to submit it.

3. When your article is received it will be edited and sent back to you. If you agree with the edited copy, fine. If you don’t, tell us and we will work with you to make the article what you want it to be.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

RTP/APT Newsletter produced by Tricia Weston